Podcast 3

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Speaker 1
Hi, and welcome back to Allen Carr’s Easy podcast. My name’s Colleen Dwyer. I’m a senior Allen Carr’s Easyway facilitator. I’m the presenter of all series of online video programs, and I’m your podcast host. In this show, we’re joined by Panos Tzouros who is our franchisee and facilitator in Greece. Panos talks about his experiences as a smoker, how he quit smoking and his Allen Carr journey.

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Speaker 1
We also have our usual segment, Addiction Central with regular contributor John Dicey who is the global CEO of Allen Carr’s Easyway. He is also coauthor of Allen Carr Books and a senior Allen Carr’s Easyway facilitator who has helped millions of addicts to freedom over the last 25 years. John and I are hearing from listeners who have shared their success stories, and we also have some questions around habit verses addiction, cannabis use and sugar use.

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Speaker 1
If you’d like your questions answered, drop us a line on pod at allencarr dot com with whatever you’d like to say or any questions that you have. We’re happy to answer any questions that you have about any addiction, even if we don’t actually feature your question in a feature episode, we will personally reply to every single question we receive, providing you with detailed advice and guidance.

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Speaker 1
So don’t forget, get in touch on pod pod@allencarr.com and do also check out allencarr.com and see the host of addictions and issues Allen Carr’s Easyway has now been applied to and here I am talking with Panas.

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Speaker 2
Hello everyone My name is Panos and I am Greek and I am the franchisee and also a senior facilitator in in Greece.

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Speaker 1
It’s brilliant that you’re here joining us on the podcast. So, Panos tell me, how did you get into smoking?

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Speaker 2
Well, the first experience of cigarettes I think it was about 16 was we we all, all the boys who put our pocket money. We bought a packet of cigarettes and we were growing up fast by having a cigarettes So only initially we, you know, had that experience that everybody almost have and that the cigarettes was bitter or I mean the taste.

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Speaker 2
And it was like, no, it wasn’t, it wasn’t any nice experience. But it seems we, we thought it was something naughty and something we, we we will enjoy eventually doing because everybody was enjoying it. So we thought we might initially we thought we maybe we’re doing something wrong. So you try to get ahead and eventually we start liking it.

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Speaker 2
Funny enough. And then yeah, so smoking and it was I didn’t know about. But in Greece at that time when I started smoking, I mean I was like about what, 40 years ago it was well, I wasn’t that everybody was accepting it, but it was something very, extremely social. And nobody sometimes they even the grandpas were giving us cigarettes or they said, Oh, when you grow up, you’ll, you’ll be able to smoke like it was something we were waiting for were to do because it was like something like, you know, a forbidden pleasure that we were eventually going to get when we are older.

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Speaker 2
So I guess that was how we started then. Obviously, you know, I started by my own pockets and it was there smoking everywhere. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Isn’t it funny how society is changed? You know, back in the day where it was almost expected of you to become a smoker and now it’s it would be regarded as, you know, really awful to suggest which all the oh is inevitable. You’re going to be a smoker.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, it’s true. It’s very, very true. It’s like I cannot believe, even when I look back to myself when I was smoking once go out of the other because I was a really good smoker. I was up to three and a half packs a day. I remember like I was one of these smokers. I mean, that doesn’t exist anymore.

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Speaker 2
But I was I’m one of these kind of smokers that I was smoking the cigarettes in bed and then, you know, and then in the morning I was starting my day before I even get off the bed. We the cigarette is I mean there was nothing about his is I cannot even believe how I slept with the whole the whole smoke in my bedroom.

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Speaker 2
Even today the most is there. Even they go outside to smoke as well. So at least they realize how awful the cigarettes may smell. But at that time it seems like you convince yourself that it was alright or it wasn’t any bad smell. Right. You’re enjoying it. It’s amazing how brain you can. Only other people can brainwash you by the information they give you and how you grow up.

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Speaker 2
But I think it’s also how you brainwash yourself to believe that what you do is is nice. You’re enjoying it. I mean, the vile taste is never changes, is always the same. But suddenly, like you, it doesn’t really matter you. It’s worth worth it to go through that vile smell or taste just to get the pleasure of smoking.

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Speaker 1
What’s it like in in Greece now? Are they quite restricted?

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Speaker 2
Well, I think Greeks are the last to to go on the line because there even nothing. Three years ago it was a difference I used from round the world of Allen Carr. They send me a video of our health minister smoking in them and yeah, in the minister as a place and I thought it was disgusting. It was like appalling because it was the Minister of Health and he was smoking in the building that he was not allowed snog.

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Speaker 2
Well now we have obviously we’re having, you know, all that changed and the new government every enforce the law so nobody smokes anywhere. Now. So inside the buildings in public transport is strictly no smoking. It’s a big penalty as well. So yeah that’s that’s thing changes then go for that because before even three years ago you could go to clubs and it was it was everywhere.

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Speaker 2
It says like you know a smoking allowed everyone to smoke. Everybody was smoking. But now it’s like the law is in place, so everybody is behaving. And that’s very good.

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Speaker 1
So did you try to quit smoking then? Panels.

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Speaker 2
So what happened is like, I love smoking. I was one of the people they say I die with holding a cigarette in my hand. It was the I was thinking sometimes that if I quit smoking, what what why is the reason to leave now is the pleasure of life and put it this way, I was a chain smoker.

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Speaker 2
I think also it’s like now thinking back to myself, I think the reason I could smoke so much because before that once I was really young when I was a child between like your I started doing I’m, I was a runner. I was sprinter from seven to about 15 just before I started smoking. So I was really running every day for about 400 calories for very quickly.

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Speaker 2
And so I think my lungs were very they had a huge capacity. So I think no to anybody out there that they smoke a lot. I think they have to have the built their the lungs and the and Yeah. And the body as opposed to be able to inhale so fast and smoked so much. I don’t think everybody I don’t think that all smokers can become chain smokers.

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Speaker 2
So anyway I was one of them so I was smoking a cigarette at the other and eventually the time catch up with me. I was 25, then I was 30 and then when I passed 30 I became 30. I think that before I started having all the symptoms of a heavy smoker, I didn’t want to take stairs anymore.

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Speaker 2
I use that leads to laws and I was but the most disgusting thing, it started really annoying me a lot. It was that when I was coughing I was having some mum. Yeah. And I think, you know what? I have to do something. My chest was hurting and eventually I had a trip. I was going on holidays and I came to London amid a friend of mine for, from, from Italy.

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Speaker 2
And I was complaining about my smoking and I spent the cigarettes were in England. My God, I forgot to buy from duty free. It was like I could not believe the price at the time. It was for 1010 cigarettes was like £6 at the time. And that’s about what about candy, You know, about ten years ago. Anyway. So he, he mentioned Allen Carr and the method, and he quitted me that way and he said, you know, I remember my first reaction said, I don’t want to quit.

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Speaker 2
I wanted to control of my smoking. I wanted to have the pleasurable cigarettes, but not no, I don’t quit. No, no, no, no. I want to have the control. So the smoked cigarettes that I enjoy and not smoked the other ones I didn’t enjoy. So anyway, I went to the to the court, to the court to having cause a seminar and you sit down and you from the even before you arrived the seminar, you wondering what will I hear?

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Speaker 2
Because obviously I asked my friend, you know, I had my objections, obviously I said I’m not going to go there and to about my lungs and my my clot, the blood vessels and all that and just not know is this is a you know, it’s a very light seminar. It’s enjoyable. And I think the catalyst in the whole my decision to go to the seminar was when he mentioned that I will smoke throughout the seminar you gave smoking.

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Speaker 2
Wow. So I went to the seminar. It was either have I smoke, is the other not happy? I can tell you because if we were happy there were no reason to be there. So we were all said our little story and no. And then when we had the breaks and I would tell you it’s it’s it’s it’s you think when the seminar comes to the end and you leave, you think, oh, no, I didn’t.

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Speaker 2
I came to these conclusions on my own, you know, is so obvious. Why cross or sees it? It’s in front of me and it’s happening. It’s day. How could it not? Not suit. But you know, you don’t. I think you don’t. I think is. Is my study done? Anyway, I left and I was delighted. I don’t know. Didn’t know what happened, but I didn’t know what smoke I was it.

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Speaker 2
I didn’t want smoke. The only thing I remember is like every time I saw a cigarette, a smoker in the streets, I was giving me the number as it go. There I go there. You’re going to you know, you can make it. You can make it with.

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Speaker 1
Were you very popular or not.

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Speaker 2
I this focus, I have to tell you was I think because when you are a smoker and you approach smoking and say like, you know, I was a smoker, would you like do you think so? Do you think sometimes to quit smoking? Every says yes. But if you go and say, you know, take this, you can quit smoking.

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Speaker 2
No, I don’t want to fucking. But if you present yourself like I’m an ex-smoker and I quitted smoking and no, you know, how do you feel? I wouldn’t say you quit. Do you say, oh, I was a smoker. Oh, do you like smoking? And you will tell you like, Oh, sometimes. Yep. I most of the times adorned. That’s more or less the answer I got from all the smokers.

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Speaker 2
They it depends how you present yourself the enemy or somebody who is sort of companion or somebody who to help.

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Speaker 1
So do you remember anything, particularly panels from the seminar that really struck you? Because you say it was all very obvious, you know, And well, I suppose the thing that struck you is that you hadn’t joined the dots yourself, that you hadn’t recognized the trap. Would you say? Yeah.

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Speaker 2
That’s correct. I think what struck me was that first that it was that I was I think that says I think that it was what it struck me, that it was my choice, that I was smoking. And I thought, Oh, hold on a minute. Can you just repeat that and explain to me? And you think like, Yeah, oh my God, I know you realize.

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Speaker 2
Hold on a minute. All my first literally to do something that I haven’t chose to do and yet is this what is happening? You know, you smoking and it’s all your choice. You think it is, but it’s not. And once you grip of God, you know, like, hold on a minute. I might do something that you really want.

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Speaker 2
Is something that then something or someone or somehow I’m doing and I’m not in enjoying it. Because if I’m enjoying it, why am I here? And you make the question to yourself is, if I’m a happy smoker because I knew remember, they they in the ads, in the questionnaire, it was like it was, are you happy smoking? Of course I am.

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Speaker 2
And then you the question the obvious question is like, okay, well, if you are a happy smoker, why are you here? It’s hard to quit smoking anyhow. The minute who you’re right, you know, it was so simple. If I was ever a smoker, why I was there, why would you quit smoking? And then one, as you say, though, all the doors, you know, suddenly that came together and you can see the big picture, you know, exactly the puzzles.

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Speaker 2
You know, if few of them are missing or a lot of them are missing, you never see the real picture what is happening. But it always passes there. And I think it was the method that volunteers doing. You put all the puzzles with instructions on where to go. And then once you see the whole picture, which you started, you can not believe how you managed to fool yourself to let you like smoking, that you enjoying it as your own choice.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. You, you, you is you deciding to kill your body and you have all that stinking as and you know you you lucky you pay for it. Wow. That you pay for it. So I’m glad I escaped because I thought. Yes. When you first hear this, I mean, no, it’s like escaping. Sounds like, oh, Alabama prison. Am I really?

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Speaker 2
Yeah. You don’t really want to accept all these in the first place because you think you’re a smart guy, You know, you educated. I mean, come on. Yeah, of course. You know, it’s not as you say, it’s not that dramatic, but eventually, you know, was something easy. Like, you know what? Yeah, you’re right. Yeah, absolutely right. But it takes some time.

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Speaker 2
I think it took me a few months later after I quit smoking with the seminar of Allen Carr and to realize you have the full realization of like, Oh my God, you know, yes, now he’s you. No, I can see clearly that it was, you know, it was the most stupid decision I made in my entire life, you know, to start smoking.

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Speaker 2
But take the good things like, you know, as you say, I escaped and I didn’t have any I didn’t come to any situations. I was forced to small to quit smoking like, you know, if I was sick or that got cancer or, you know, a heart stopping, you know, that. So I quit long before that. So. Or always good.

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Speaker 2
Yes.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And you say it took a couple of months, you know, after you quit smoking, then you got a bit of a realization, maybe with a bit of time and distance you your perception you could see clearly. Wow. You know, I really did get away with, you know, something quite awful. You know, I got away from something that was terrible.

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Speaker 1
That chap was really awful. But in the in the few months leading up to that realization, how did you feel about not smoking? Were you trying to was were you using willpower to not smoke? Were you struggling to not smoke?

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Speaker 2
No. I tell you, as you know, the realization as I said before, it was coming through observing other smokers, because then, you know, you could see yourself in the past you were saying exactly what they say. And then you walk in the room is things you’re like, oh my God, is this? And nobody all the smokers are there.

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Speaker 2
And the number is, What do you mean, no is fine, You know, they don’t even have a clue what’s going on. So and that’s what you start realizing. Oh my God, I was one of them. I was doing I was saying exactly the same things that these my friends were my friends. Some of them. Yeah. These people say it was amazing that you just it was with the realization, oh, she’s like know and a coughing and you know, and nobody was paying attention was something or they were they were experiencing it as something was normal, but it wasn’t.

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Speaker 2
And that’s what you realize when you realize that I was like these and now I’m not anymore. And willpower. No, I didn’t. I didn’t use willpower at all. Although in the beginning I didn’t realize what it was. Willpower. Why wasn’t. But when it was mentioned in the seminar. But when I got out, I realized that I didn’t made any effort not to smoke.

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Speaker 2
It was something that I decided not to smoke anymore and not to do anymore. And the reason was because I didn’t want to smoke anymore. And it was explained to me very, very clearly that the physical addiction was almost nearly to zero was the lot of examples they given me was I could understand and then experiencing myself and also is like the that the mental addiction that was the main my main problem and I could see literally that’s not what the other smokes are there smoking and no no in Paris no no it was like I didn’t want to smoke a thing.

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Speaker 2
The moment I decided not to smoke, that I didn’t want to smoke that was intimate. It was like blink. It was like magic. Yeah. And when I became a facilitator, I thought I was the only one. Maybe that. That’s. You know, that magic happened, but I could see it happened around me all the time, which is very, very, very nice to be able to, you know, transfer that magic about the world.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, absolutely. Why did you why did you become a facilitator then? And why did you like it?

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Speaker 2
Yeah, that was that was another story. So what happened is that, you know, Greeks, big families, basically. So I was Easter, I was in in my hometown in Rhodes and you know, thing the Easter table is filled about 30 people with like, you know, uncles, aunts, cousins, you know, name. It’s always there. So and guess what? You know, the meal is finished and what’s happening?

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Speaker 2
We talk about Greeks. Yeah. So we were, let’s say 30 people there. 29 A part of me lit a cigarette. It was like I sort of smoke. So I made a comment like, Oh my God, you know, it was the first time I so that’s, that’s I’ve noticed that actually oh that smoke coming out the table. And I said, oh my God.

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Speaker 2
So somebody said, You lucky you quit smoking. I thought, whole lemonade, you know. What do you mean lucky? So I dropped that. And then the other one, they said, Oh yeah, we know we could quit smoking as well. But you know, I like to march or I can’t or I tried to fail these. So it was different. So it seems like it was everybody was interested of what did I do to quit smoking?

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Speaker 2
But some of them said, Well, could you find out if we could do it in Greek? Because they didn’t speak English? I say, okay. So I did try to find out, and to my surprise, there were not a Greek language for the method. So I thought, okay, so I wrote in. I said, Well, you know, do you know anybody?

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Speaker 2
They could do it. None of it was available in Greek. And then boom, I thought, My God, what about if I take all that and then I wrote to I wrote in an email, Is it okay? My name is this these. I quitted smoking in England, in London, and now I like to became a franchisee in Greece because I can’t find anybody here.

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Speaker 2
And a lot of you know, there’s a lot of interest. So and that’s how I started. So all my family still smoking everywhere was very keen because they wanted to quit smoking. So I said, okay, So we tried it. And I’m very pleased that even today, nobody’s smoke. That’s very, very good. They all my friends and I had known smokers, all my families and smokers.

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Speaker 2
So it’s like, yes, that’s success.

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Speaker 1
What are you following them around after that?

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Speaker 2
You know, actually, I was I thought about everything before because, you know, it was we arranged a month later. So that month I was very I was preparing myself. What if they do that? What is it that happens? What do you gather happens? What if they say that? Or these are the other? So I was not. I was prepared for almost everything.

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Speaker 2
And then I thought how once said to the station, I will leave them to their own because I didn’t want them to be. I didn’t want to them to feel like they I was the crunch that it will have to come every time they have to, you know, build them themselves of that sort of power to say, no, I don’t want to, you know, But if they wanted to help out, there were more than welcome.

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Speaker 2
But, you know, it’s the same with my clients. They I mean, anybody could reach out to me and say, oh, you know what? I’m having a a funny moment or I’ll think about it. Why do I do that? And, you know, they get the answer once they get the answer to why that happens to them, it seems like there that that fear dissolves is like it disappears because just because you they know what’s happening with like is amazing.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, it really is. And so how long ago was that then, Panos, when you first started doing the therapy?

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Speaker 2
So it scares me sometimes. How long time ago it is. So is 2000. 2005.

00;22;48;05 – 00;22;55;09
Speaker 1
Wow. And what’s it been like? You know, taking the message out to Greece and transferring the magic?

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Speaker 2
I tell you, ease. I think that’s the through the seminars Ahmed’s incredible people from different parts of the society and some of them I will never be able to meet or would have a chance or because I wouldn’t be in their circle. So actresses, actresses, singers, famous people in Greece, businessmen name it is like these CEOs, different companies is amazing.

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Speaker 2
The the variety of people are made through the seminar and is very is very nice because even the you know e everyday people and this is amazing to meet interesting personalities as well and of everyday characters mothers and you know housewives and name is is all amazing. And the reason is because everybody has their own create your own world about smoking.

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Speaker 2
And it’s interesting to see their reaction. But over in the arriving at the seminar or when they are living but are usually like what it makes me laugh in the beginning, didn’t know, does what? Sometimes we have some smokers, they walk to the seminar, they are arriving and the moment they arrive, the first thing they say, If I quit smoking, everybody will.

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Speaker 1
I’m the real smoker.

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Speaker 2
It’s actually the real smoker. So but that makes me laugh nowadays because I’ve seen so many times how many people they believe that they are the only ones, that they are the ones that we all say unfortunately will follow the same trap. So but yeah, I’m very glad to help a lot of people. We then in the method spread like wildfire in Greece, we had a lot of companies join us to do that.

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Speaker 2
The seminars for the employees unfortunately later on we had like you know Greece was hit by the then them the financial crisis and last for nine years and once we started getting out of it, another slap came with the coronavirus, you know you know but still, although we have the semblance of running through the COVID, we managed to have, I think, like, you know, everybody was doing the same, you know, have the seminars through the Internet and and yes, and now it’s like we slowly we going back to to running them again.

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Speaker 1
Brilliant. And do you do them do you do them all over Greece then, Panos Yes. And online as well.

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Speaker 2
An online as well. Yes.

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Speaker 1
Do you see vaping becoming a thing?

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Speaker 2
Yes. That’s another thing. You know, we have now a lot of smokers. They are the classic ones, you know, the cigarettes. Then they’re having the other one. They come with the ICOs. They have the impression that that’s not is smoking. Once if they attended the seminar, they realized that, you know, you are nicotine addicts. Now, regardless how you take the nicotine, you still an addict.

00;26;17;10 – 00;26;36;11
Speaker 2
What are the the example I give? It’s like, no, if I’m a heroin addict and I quit injecting it, but I take a pill instead, what would I change my addiction? No, I’m still addicted to heroin, but I’m not in, you know, injecting it. But I’m just, you know, taking by orally, but just that doesn’t change is that doesn’t change addiction.

00;26;36;11 – 00;26;49;13
Speaker 2
But yeah. And then they get it. But but my question all the time is when they arrive, they try to defend themselves. My always my question is, if you enjoying it, why are you here?

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Speaker 1
Where would you think you have been doing panels if you didn’t quit smoking?

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Speaker 2
But today I’m 55 I would be having maybe you be in is like I’m a running up downstairs. I’m very energetic. Everybody says I don’t look at my age. Um, when I was surprised me when I was smoking, I was overweight. Now I have the best, but I haven’t had anything in my entire life. I lost weight as well.

00;27;18;08 – 00;27;37;02
Speaker 2
When when I quitted smoking, it came to the point that I’m working a lot now. I’m taking the stairs, I’m exercising. Every now and then I go recycling. Wow. Sadly. And also like swimming because, I mean, I’m adult, you know, now born in Greece. So that’s that’s something that I got back to.

00;27;37;09 – 00;27;43;15
Speaker 1
You doing great work in Greece. So the Greek smokers are in safe hands. So thank you very, very much.

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Speaker 2
Thank you very much for having me. Lovely to see you. Since just addiction.

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Speaker 3
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Speaker 4
Great to see you again.

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Speaker 1
Good to see you, John.

00;28;15;17 – 00;28;17;06
Speaker 4
Um, if we had a jingle yet.

00;28;17;22 – 00;28;19;06
Speaker 1
We’ve got your jingle.

00;28;20;03 – 00;28;22;19
Speaker 4
What about you? You’re watching the Battle of the Jingles.

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Speaker 1
It was rubbish, my one.

00;28;25;13 – 00;28;29;04
Speaker 4
I thought it was just a really good idea. I thought we should use both of them.

00;28;29;11 – 00;28;32;08
Speaker 1
We could alternate. I suppose.

00;28;32;08 – 00;28;59;20
Speaker 4
You know, variety is the spice of life and all that. But this is going well with loads and loads of questions. Come in, come to Paul, to Allen Carr or call somebody. I don’t really know where to start. I mean this is really important I suppose that listeners think, yeah, tell us what, what you want is. Do you want to hear more from people who’ve had difficulties, to hear more success stories?

00;28;59;20 – 00;29;25;00
Speaker 4
What? Let’s see how it goes. But I think it’s pulled out the most interesting ones. I think so. Should I get credit? Yeah. We’ve asked people we’ve asked people for success stories as well, haven’t we? Look, a couple of things to start off with. Just a do you found this when you’re supporting smokers or any other addicts on line, we have these sort of sort of social media groups.

00;29;26;04 – 00;30;15;15
Speaker 4
It’s really easy for people in those groups to get the wrong impression about the method, because generally speaking, most of the people who are feel they want to join a social media group, Facebook group, for example, for stopping smoking with with without uncle, those struggling, if that makes sense. Because most people read the book or watch some of their program will come to a seminar beforehand and Daily Show to generally find a way their way into these sort of groups which can give the impression that all these people are struggling with it will actually a tiny, tiny number of people out of how many millions are all around the world being successful.

00;30;15;15 – 00;30;28;14
Speaker 4
So every now and again we touch on a success stories. I think they’re great to see. Anyway how we got here. So this is from Joe, who I think is in the UK.

00;30;30;15 – 00;31;03;14
Speaker 4
He says, I’m 27 years old and after ten years of being a nicotine addicts, I’m almost three months free from having had a 4040 price roll up cigarettes a day. I’m now transforming my body through weight training exercise. Before, when I was a smoker, he’s saying I quitted caring about everyone, not even wanting to look after my three year old nephew, as I would rather be smoking my car in a fast food carpool carry.

00;31;03;19 – 00;31;21;25
Speaker 4
I think most smokers can relate to that Can’t they, I don’t know, Remember sort of cutting short visits to my parents because I was desperate to get away. I didn’t smoke in front of them, so I wouldn’t stay long periods where they would sort of shoot off. And then once you’re free, you dig it. There’s this brilliant moment study where you realize what you’ve what you’ve escaped from.

00;31;22;12 – 00;31;54;00
Speaker 4
Anyway, Joe says there’s a professional musician. I quit caring about playing music now. I have my favorite pastime back. Okay. Since learning during the in-person session, nicotine is like a toxic relationship that never did anything good for me. I’m now getting much better at giving everything. Everything of myself, everything and everyone. So it’s quite dramatic change. I was describing.

00;31;54;00 – 00;32;09;18
Speaker 4
Well, I just want to just get emotional. We get these all the time, don’t you? But whenever you read them, it’s not about you. It’s just sort of it’s just a such an impact on people’s lives. It brings me tears and joy to say my whole world has changed a lot and the wonderful team have saved my life.

00;32;11;08 – 00;32;52;24
Speaker 4
Please, if you’re unsure, but can in person session pay in installments so far off site, £700, $1,000, something like that with with one of not smoked. So putting the money away and saving a fortune. It’s lovely to get messages like this. And another short shortish one. I thought just because you that were quite interesting. This is from Fernanda in Quince, Ecuador said South America 16 years ago used to be a smoker more than 20 cigarettes a day.

00;32;52;24 – 00;33;17;04
Speaker 4
But thanks to method, I quit my addiction easily and definitely it’s changed my life in so many ways. I’m so grateful because of that. I would like to learn the methods so help people to quit this terrible addiction. Is there any way to be part of that? Same It’s quite an interesting question. We do get applications from all over the world all the time from people who want to get involved, and it’s brilliant.

00;33;18;22 – 00;33;40;08
Speaker 4
So anybody who did want to get involved from anywhere in the world, just get in touch with us via Allen Card or com is a contact us. I think that’s hotline corner jokes our menu but become an online call facilitator and we’re really grateful for the the applications we receive. There’s all the details now supply everything on that own there.

00;33;41;06 – 00;33;55;22
Speaker 4
So that’s the now we’ve got to some people having sort of questions about the method. It’s just too boring for people to having, you know, just basically reading out those messages there and you think this that’s okay.

00;33;55;28 – 00;34;14;24
Speaker 1
I like it. I like hearing about it. And it’s all relatable, isn’t it, as well? You know, you think about your own freedom and it’s a good point that you made as well, John, that you don’t you don’t shout about it from the rooftops when you look I mean, do talk about the fact that you’ve quit smoking, but not everyone is interested in the fact that you’ve quit smoking.

00;34;14;24 – 00;34;41;13
Speaker 1
And and it’s such a big change for the individual. But you don’t you don’t necessarily talk about it all the time. So it’s it’s it’s nice to hear it. It’s just nice to hear how people are feeling because it’s such a profound impact it has on their on their life. That’s you know, what I was saying about spending more time with, you know, family members, that that’s so profound.

00;34;41;13 – 00;35;02;19
Speaker 1
I mean, it doesn’t say in the sentence that you you know, when you say it, it doesn’t I don’t know. But but because I can I can relate to that because I have the exact same thing, cutting short bedtime stories, you know, trying to curtail the my nieces and nephews excitement about going to the park because I was like, oh, no, we’re not staying too long.

00;35;02;19 – 00;35;25;23
Speaker 1
You know, don’t don’t get overexcited and all because implement nicotine and you know that that’s I’m so grateful, you know, to know how you felt like reading out that for the last 20 years I haven’t had that thing in my life just like dictating. And so now I find it very interesting. But I am you know, this is my.

00;35;25;24 – 00;35;59;16
Speaker 4
Diary to focus on. Maybe I should focus on delivering better, you know, a more smooth reading of the feedback. One of the of what’s been sending I should work harder or that of course you’ve got to do that now anyway. But that’s of so a mountain to climb but with no and it’s not just smoking is it’s pretty much any drug or behavior addicted to when you sort of look look back on what you’ve escaped for really is incredible choice sort of thing.

00;36;00;19 – 00;36;19;25
Speaker 4
And sometimes that’s what the people forget. What to have escaped from that It’s sort of a it’s a bit like sort of you can’t remember a headache what the pain of a headache or to the pain of a broken arm because if you could, the brain just let you remember that pain. Because if it’s anything thought about a broken arm, you feel the pain.

00;36;19;25 – 00;36;48;21
Speaker 4
It’ll be awful similar to bad experiences. Quite often the break of processes and the further and further away you get from the sort of less bad, it seems, you know, is quite a good good to get a reminder of what it is everyone’s at everyone’s escape from. Okay, okay. Well, we got here. Okay, This is what’s happened. The last one was from the somebody, the Echo music as well, wasn’t it A musician?

00;36;49;19 – 00;37;16;15
Speaker 4
Yeah. This is someone else as it haven’t, coincidentally from someone else in the music business. We do have loads of people on that have really? It’s quite a few of the services because we had a few great musicians of 1 to 1 sessions as well. And I let me, let me read Tom’s Tom from I don’t know where he got away from.

00;37;16;29 – 00;37;41;00
Speaker 4
We read his question. I’m attending a seminar today. Okay so this is last week some of the find some smoke since I was 14, but on a sober day, you found myself never really going over five cigarettes a day. I smoked a lot of weed from the age of 14 to 21, but found it easy to quit once it turned on me.

00;37;42;10 – 00;38;10;19
Speaker 4
Work in the music industry. When drugs and alcohol come into play, come into play. I could easily smoke a pack a day. Yeah, when I’m sober, sometimes I can go as far as a week without even craving a cigarette. Cravings have increased over time. Of course, I enjoy combined with other things, so I think with single smoking and drinking, smoking and doing this or whatever else, but not so worried, not supportive.

00;38;10;19 – 00;38;45;04
Speaker 4
When I’m sober, I still want to quit but be more habitual rather than on the addictive side. Will this help? Because I went so far to improve my reading first attempt. But anyway, it was the gist of what what Tom saying that I would say anybody attending a seminar, if most people won’t have any problems in the unlikely event they do, just get straight back in touch with the seminar sense and always happy to hear from people best the best way to get further support after that.

00;38;46;22 – 00;39;06;16
Speaker 4
And I think sometimes people even sort of people in music are worried that it’s all part of what they do, their performance or their creative side or whatever. But it is reassuring for them to know that we have so many big, big musicians come along who say, you know, they thought it was they relied on it for their creative process.

00;39;06;16 – 00;39;33;25
Speaker 4
But actually it did. It didn’t It was really it was sort of excuses of carry on smoking. I think Chrissie Heine said as much in her autobiography, and she, like Nikki Glaser, quitted smoking and eventually didn’t quit drinking. I think with the method as well. And, you know, I was amazed because, you know, loved Chrissie Heine when I was a kid, one of the first solo singles of Bull Bros in pocket.

00;39;34;12 – 00;39;54;13
Speaker 4
So I was reading her autobiography, just amazed to stumble across it. But she mentions Ireland cause Easy Way is brilliant that even at the back it’s an epilog wishing, you know, it’s sort of half a page about her experience with the method and basically encouraging people. You know, you can be who you are without without the drugs, without that smoking, without whatever says good.

00;39;55;08 – 00;40;22;27
Speaker 4
So so a question in a nutshell and is awkward because of course, already all these questions have written back to the people who’ve written them once. They just bring those answers out, really. But in terms of addiction versus habits. And so one hand, Tom, it’s not going to be easy for you because you are more than a virtual side, the addictive side, in your words, but you’re still going to find it easy.

00;40;23;08 – 00;40;54;21
Speaker 4
And I think somebody says, okay, there are days or weeks without smoking, so I can’t be addicted. Well, I think that’s not the case. I think what that what that process illustrates is what we say is the the physical withdrawal from the drug is very mild. So they can go days, weeks without smoking. What what has them go back to it is with smoking, alcohol or whatever it might be is is what’s going on in their mind.

00;40;54;21 – 00;41;13;19
Speaker 4
The mental process that could go through when they think about it and extend their addiction to the drug that has the machine. They do enjoy it. They get something from it, which, you know, a week or two after they actually take it, a drug that can clean all that time. They just they feel it can’t enjoy that big night out without it.

00;41;13;19 – 00;41;21;00
Speaker 4
So this is really something more focused around sort of casual smokers isn’t really social smokers.

00;41;21;07 – 00;41;35;13
Speaker 1
Like some people might say, oh, you know, it’s not so much that I’m addicted, I’m just bored or, you know, that’s what I was doing. I’m not so much addicted. I’m just, you know, just like it with a drink. And we get confused, don’t we? That is the addiction. That’s kind of the that’s the prompt, isn’t it?

00;41;35;13 – 00;41;54;07
Speaker 4
So two reasons why we will we take the drug. One is because we’re addicted and the other is we’ve been brainwashed into thinking that drug does something for us, and that’s because of the addiction. Somebody goes a long period of time without cigarettes or whatever. They just prove that the withdrawal, they go through withdrawal complete withdrawal, any problems at all.

00;41;54;07 – 00;42;25;08
Speaker 4
So that that’s that’s really good news. Then the the next part to covers is to understand, you know, why you believe you get something out of that drug. Once you’ve understood that you are be inclined to, to, to, to, to, to take it anymore or did one of us single was this like as Tom talked about, you know, when he’s doing other stuff, this tends to be when he smokes and just be careful of the other stuff Tom Whatever that because it’s great you quitted smoking.

00;42;25;23 – 00;43;04;20
Speaker 4
Great. You’ve escaped from weight if that was causing your problem as well. So just look after yourself from that point of view, okay? This from Meredith Melbourne, Australia, who says she’s read the book couple of times, stuck for eight months, once fitting with a group of people who were smoking marijuana, got hooked on those books. I would mix with tobacco, read a couple of more times, go free again, and got hooked again, again through joints with tobacco in Meredith scribes speaking through the rubbish bin two or three times after quitting.

00;43;04;20 – 00;43;37;25
Speaker 4
Only we will dumb that out. Pretty sure awful things we do when we’re failing to quit. Skimmed the book twice more, quitted for a week or two and tried to use a notes of taken from the book to quit as well. So it’s a real. What sort of. Quit, quit, quit, quit kind of situations from matter. And I think that that is an issue people have and it becomes almost a cycle.

00;43;37;25 – 00;43;59;29
Speaker 4
This, you know, you have to do something tough to hold that process almost clutching at straws, trying to read it again, the read the notes and whatever else. So I think the advice getting married really is just so I could quit and just don’t try and quit now, come up with a plan to quit rather than keep sort of grabbing at it.

00;43;59;29 – 00;44;30;00
Speaker 4
And what? Hardly. And I think we will give this warning to everybody who comes to the seminars, and it’s in the latest version of the book. And of course, easy way to quit smoking just in terms of joints, those of us I live listeners probably are familiar that the facts in Europe and other parts of the world, people mix marijuana or cannabis with tobacco and smoke it together.

00;44;30;21 – 00;45;02;19
Speaker 4
And then again, other listeners probably think, well, I talk about this for whatever. So, you know, no judgment. We don’t sort of endorse, you know, drug use or recommend it or anything like that. But what we do is, is give advice for those people for whom it might be a problem that is, if you if you want to quit smoking and maybe not sure whether you want to quit smoking joints, then it shouldn’t cause your problem.

00;45;02;27 – 00;45;36;08
Speaker 4
As long as you don’t mix, it makes it makes it with tobacco use of pot. These are both. Have it be hot knife. It whatever you want to do with it. As long as you don’t mix with the tobacco, that is much, much less unhealthy ways of using that sort of thing other than sort of smoking it. But that that’s really the advice being given the fact that the downside, the danger of it is people find it so free to quit smoking there a party two months down the line that there’s a joint going around, it’s got tobacco and they think I’ll get away with it later.

00;45;36;08 – 00;45;59;02
Speaker 4
Puff bang, straight back to smoking again. You know, it’s one of two ways to either go back to smoking straight away, literally back on to your day, or they leave what they think is the safe period of time for a few weeks. They’re in a similar situation. Other joints floating about that they all got away with it. They know can have this wrong in Ireland.

00;45;59;02 – 00;46;28;13
Speaker 4
Call was wrong, can have the occasional and so they have another tug there and that seems to go fine. But gradually the gaps between these movies get closer and close together. Eventually you go back to smoking. That’s the way it always goes. Certainly, Sessions say not one powerful one. cigarette cigar joints, tobacco, it will cause a problem. So you come across that process often in seminars as well.

00;46;28;14 – 00;46;30;24
Speaker 4
Craig, thanks for the question got does come up with his now.

00;46;31;02 – 00;46;51;23
Speaker 1
Yeah and people you know sometimes get confused because we’re saying oh you know it’s very easy to get off nicotine but don’t ever have it again. Yeah. Okay so my as I tell you, don’t, don’t mess with it if, if he’s saying, oh you know, well it’s not such a big deal, I can just have the odd one here, there or you know.

00;46;51;23 – 00;47;07;09
Speaker 1
Well maybe one will be quite nice. Well then you know, a million are going to be nice and like what you’re going to do, then you’re either going to feel deprived. If you don’t have that join at the party that’s kind of going around or you have it. And then like like you say, John, you’re on that slippery slope.

00;47;07;09 – 00;47;28;00
Speaker 1
So it doesn’t we we you know, we just say once you’re done with it, you done with it, you don’t need it. It doesn’t improve anything. Doesn’t it doesn’t enhance anything. Like you say, if you if you want to do that other stuff then it’s, it’s down to you. But just don’t go near nicotine. Nicotine is is what you want to be free of.

00;47;28;00 – 00;47;32;00
Speaker 1
And that’s the way to do it. Just call time on it completely.

00;47;32;15 – 00;47;56;27
Speaker 4
Absolutely. I’ll give Impact’s that advice. I think we’ve been criticized from time to time for giving sort of that practice good advice. You know, have it be always a pipe or whatever. I think it’s just really important if people have a problem with cannabis, for example, and they struggle to quit and struggle to get it for free, we can help them with that to come along to quit smoking.

00;47;56;27 – 00;48;21;21
Speaker 4
That’s what they want help with. And the the the fact is that’s what we’re there for. So we provide that kind of advice. I think it’s just important for people to realize that, in fact, quite often people are very happy only for people to ask the question, you know, why are they going to quit smoking everything? And actually, in a sort of a weird way, it’s called encourages it.

00;48;21;25 – 00;48;32;20
Speaker 4
Okay. So don’t have to you know, don’t have to quit smoking, quit drinking or quit having weight if that’s what they do or whatever. As long as you don’t mix it with tobacco, you should be fine.

00;48;33;02 – 00;48;53;13
Speaker 1
Yeah. And say, what would you say, John, to Because sometimes you do get it in a seminar where someone’s in the seminar and they want to knock both of them on the head at the same time. And there’s also someone in the seminar who, who doesn’t, who wants to hang on to, you know, the cannabis and not and just get rid of the nicotine.

00;48;54;27 – 00;49;00;28
Speaker 1
So, you know, so what would you say to someone who who wanted to do both of them at the same time?

00;49;02;08 – 00;49;21;11
Speaker 4
Yeah, I think in most cases that if you want to quit both, you quit both after the seminar, there really isn’t a problem with it. If it’s sort of you don’t want to do it anymore, then that’s cool. The the caveat I was put on that is if, if you’ll quit in one because you think it might cause you to go back to smoking.

00;49;21;11 – 00;49;40;00
Speaker 4
So to say I’m not going to drink alcohol anymore. For two weeks after the session because I’m worried that I want to smoke when I drink, that’s when I smoke a lot. And we said, No, just don’t carry on. Start drinking if you don’t drink already, but do what you normally do when you normally do it. Once you’ve once you start.

00;49;40;27 – 00;50;11;23
Speaker 4
As long as you do that, you can’t go wrong. So it’s similar that, you know, you probably say that if you if you really want to quit smoking weed and cigarettes, then you know the seminar work for you. Sure, you get free, you make that decision. The principles of in terms of withdrawal, everything else exactly the same. So so yeah it’s kind of a it’s already that those have a real problem with weed.

00;50;11;23 – 00;50;33;28
Speaker 4
We, we look after them as well. We have sort of seminars for that for that as well. This is big discussion isn’t there is a sort of you know what, why would people want to quit smoking weed. It people I know socially who’ve said that what’s really weird for doing that sort of cannabis seminars, marijuana seminars, why would you would do that?

00;50;34;17 – 00;50;59;07
Speaker 4
And I think it’s is there are people who need help and that’s what’s what’s driven everything we’ve done at Allen Carr. If people come to us say, Can you help me with this? And invariably we can. And there are plenty of people out there who, who, who get to the point where they want to quit using weed and struggle and they need some help.

00;50;59;12 – 00;51;41;08
Speaker 4
And that’s where we come in, I suppose. And the next question is from Glenn in Sydney, Australia. And a similar question came in from from Cathy Cathy with a K who I don’t know where she’s from. Sorry. Cathy And that was they both quitted smoking with the method and other couple of other issues, but it’s different issues for each of them, all of which involved sort of taking, taking in a drug so possibly be smoking alcohol, vaping or whatever it might be, but Coke or whatever.

00;51;41;08 – 00;52;10;25
Speaker 4
And the question is about sugar. So which is great. This sort of claims to do in particular. Question Addiction seems to be such a large part of my life. Having kids, both cigarettes and etc. I still struggle with daily substances like coffee and sugar. These feel more difficult to let go of so that there’s the cost is still high.

00;52;10;25 – 00;52;40;13
Speaker 4
In terms of health, I would like to know how to go about stopping them with the same level of confidence I bought to stopping smoking. So I think really the the question there is it’s a difficult frame stopping taking a drug and actually you don’t quit eating it. You don’t quit and what explains it to my five page reply.

00;52;41;12 – 00;53;05;19
Speaker 4
So you’re saying it was just along the lines of that is the main difference and with something like sugar addiction as well, you don’t quit having sugar. We break it down into good sugar and bad sugar. And the name of the book, The Synchronicity and Within that good sugar, bad sugar is good cop, bad cop, that kind of thing.

00;53;06;25 – 00;53;30;22
Speaker 4
And that’s the main difference that you’re continuing to take a version of the the the ingredient is causing you a problem. You’ll second a good version rather than the rather than the bad version. Of course, you see sort of so many problems. And and therefore, because you continue to sort of consume sugar, you continue. People say it’s carb free, but it really isn’t.

00;53;30;23 – 00;53;55;05
Speaker 4
There’s loads of good carbs in the of the good sugar bad sugar program. They make sure they keep the good stuff and get rid of the bad stuff because of carrying on taking in sugar of a particular type. I think for that reason it’s easy to sometimes not even make a mistake. But you go out for dinner, you’re a party, something like that happens.

00;53;55;05 – 00;54;28;10
Speaker 4
You suddenly realize you’ve had something. Maybe you wish you hadn’t. And that’s the difference with that kind of thing. And I talk to Glen about the the rumble strip tremor, the rumble strip to three or 4 minutes familiar with that. And to lose chips in these bits of carriageways drugs that you sort of if you veer off the road, it sends a jump through you can’t be fall asleep, wakes you up, just get you back on track.

00;54;28;10 – 00;55;04;06
Speaker 4
And I think that’s the difference with with sugar and and other issues that don’t involve you sort of consuming the drug specific drug. You have the rumble strips when you if you notice, you’ve kind of gone off track a little bit, hit the rumble strip. It puts you straight back into the straight. And now it’s very happily. You don’t sort of suddenly go, Oh, korcula run mixture of would a career off the road end up in a ditch?

00;55;04;06 – 00;55;29;00
Speaker 4
To some people that sounds a bit like willpower you know go So you got to keep on the straight and narrow skills so much that because you wouldn’t you wouldn’t you wouldn’t hit the rumble strip in the road and then say well hang on to the WS. Well to to come back into the line, you don’t use willpower, it’s just a warning sign or in this line as you normally normally would do if that makes sense.

00;55;29;00 – 00;55;41;23
Speaker 4
So don’t go to another light just to throw on that because that’s pretty much the one of the main differences, I would say, is that it’s one specific drug here. Yeah.

00;55;42;16 – 00;56;07;11
Speaker 1
Yeah. Because with nicotine, the rule is, you know, hard and fast and, you know, you just don’t go there. You don’t take it again and it’s easily avoided, you know, like you’re not going to the weight is not going to accidentally put on a dressing containing nicotine, but whereas with, you know, sugar you’re relying on other people, you know, and dressings and stuff.

00;56;07;14 – 00;56;34;27
Speaker 1
Yeah. You might get sugar into your, into your body but like you say John, if just treat it like that because your body will react, you will know and so treat it as that little warning to kind of nudge right back into the the correct lane, the path you want to be on. So yeah, I, I think it’s a very good question because because with nicotine is such a clear defined, you know, distinct right.

00;56;34;27 – 00;57;04;25
Speaker 1
I will never take nicotine in any form ever again. And people, quite understandably, they they think, why should I adopt that kind of hard and fast rule when it comes to stopping sugar? But I think you got to acknowledge the differences between those two things that you don’t you don’t you don’t have to have the same attitude. You can you can be a bit more forgiving when it comes to to the sugar.

00;57;05;27 – 00;57;28;28
Speaker 4
Yeah, I think that’s the key thing is it’s part of life. Nicotine isn’t part of anybody’s life, if that makes sense. If you’ve got a problem with alcohol, it’s it ceases to be part of your life. Cocaine, you get away, space ceases to be part of your life with sugar because there’s kind of there’s no such thing as, you know, good cocaine, a bad cocaine is sort of, you know, you out.

00;57;29;13 – 00;57;56;29
Speaker 4
We should because there’s a fine a fine line between the two. It’s easy is easy to just drift away sometimes or whatever. So it’s really just a case of use. The rumble strip, the calling. No one, no one ever always drives along the rumble strip has been very uncomfortable. You spend your whole life, your whole life doing a fantasy that the tobacco isn’t part of anyone’s life.

00;57;56;29 – 00;58;40;09
Speaker 4
I know you’ve read last week over it something about how tobacco is becoming more and more popular with companies appealing to youngsters in terms of some groovy restaurants like to have tobacco, something that featured on the menu drinks fashion, fashionable confectionery, that kind of thing. So I think maybe that is a changing thing. People are kind of toying with a bit, a little bit more.

00;58;40;09 – 00;59;08;09
Speaker 4
Well, both really. And it’s a really I’ll try and take out the piece from the next for the next episode because I just find it quite interesting that you do, you know, definitely seem some countries that they’re putting tobacco into sort of soft drinks that kind of in cocktails that elements it’s about that kind of thing which is just really weird though I believe it.

00;59;08;09 – 00;59;34;14
Speaker 4
I think that alone, if always, you know, sort of with one of would you would you be toying with that. But but there we go. So the other point with terms of, you know, one of the other things that we help people with don’t involve taking a drug, you know, stuff like fear of flying, which obviously that’s a eliminating that fear rather than eliminating some of your body.

00;59;35;04 – 01;00;06;01
Speaker 4
That’s junk spending really effective in that those terms when you’re young, quit spending. You have to spend money. We you can’t buy food, you can’t pay rent or mortgage or whatever else. You can’t really avoid that because obviously you have a mortgage, It goes with the territory. So, okay, if you like good sugar, bad sugar, good, bad. So these other elements of the method don’t involve removing cessation of a drug.

01;00;06;13 – 01;00;28;08
Speaker 4
Gambling is an interesting one. I mean, the gambling method has helped so many people. I’m so proud of it as well. Just because there’s not much help out there, you know, very good friend of the family partner had a problem with gambling and I sort of tried to look for a bit of help this before we had a program for it.

01;00;28;18 – 01;00;50;22
Speaker 4
I tried to do it for a bit of help and really it was really difficult. I heard these organizations like Gamble Aware or whatever, and the websites that they will all sort of pay lip service to it, really. I mean, the funded by the gambling industry, I think it was Gamblers Anonymous and I found them out just to try to check it out and see.

01;00;51;04 – 01;01;20;14
Speaker 4
And I spoke to Singhvi a more problem than the friend of a friend that needed help. It that makes it really very, very difficult. So having, you know, produced produced a program is really, really well received. I think the book online video program. But again, it’s not this not you’re not taking a drug. It’s something going on in the mind, in the body when you when you gamble.

01;01;20;14 – 01;01;44;19
Speaker 4
But millions, millions, many people gamble. They don’t have a problem with it. But for those that do have it, it’s nice that they’ve got this some help for them. And I don’t know that it would be great. In the gambling program we looked at Wait, wait, there’s where does it quit being fun, if that makes sense? And if you notice, the gambling adverts all use that phrase.

01;01;45;02 – 01;02;13;03
Speaker 4
The warnings of gambling now is, you know, when the fund quits, quit or something like that. And the word fund is a big gold diamond encrusted list fund with a fund by, you know, some kind of ward, it really is subliminally that’s getting through to the youngsters that that that’s what that’s what it is. And I think we identified the the where where the fund quits.

01;02;13;03 – 01;02;39;21
Speaker 4
And I think you think of kids, you show you the same running around all the time. You know, we play football for 7 hours on a side to the tune of you got to dog you know be 15 a side football and you don’t run out of energy ever. I just keep you keep going. You keep going. And even though certain sources co-offensive they’re all racing to the lab post off, everyone will go.

01;02;39;27 – 01;03;14;14
Speaker 4
And for no reason other than someone set list rice and chew. And if you the athlete on top of the world and if he lost. Yes. Oh well never mind. No big deal That that that’s pure fun. That’s the most natural thing that the water animals or humans do that that kind of behavior where it changes is some perceptual state where somebody says, well, race it to the lamp post, the winner gets gets a quid from everyone, that that kind of thing.

01;03;15;09 – 01;03;51;09
Speaker 4
So it’s just exactly the same activity. But every eight people in the race, £1 in and a winner gets that would seven quid from the other three on a seven something. It was really natural really normal really pure fun. Sun becomes different. So for starters, the person who wins the race doesn’t just celebrate the celebrations are saying they’ve got the money they want something to stake the that celebration, that feeling they got when they it for nothing with being involved with the money.

01;03;51;18 – 01;04;21;28
Speaker 4
So that money gets the credit for that that feeling of victory and for the for the people who didn’t win all of a sudden the jeopardy isn’t just losing a race lose a bit of face if that but also cost money and and so the the high is believed to be higher by the person who won and the low is perceived to be lower by the people who lost.

01;04;22;12 – 01;04;45;07
Speaker 4
And that’s where that’s where the fun quits and it seeps into every aspect of of our lives these days. But this is a brilliant project to work on, and it’s just so upsetting now. And I’m not holier than thou. I don’t mind people gambling or whatever. So I feel for people who have a gambling problem because it’s everywhere.

01;04;45;17 – 01;05;17;10
Speaker 4
This the National Lottery. But does this seem to be a soccer match on radio? We came weekend during the game that given out the odds you know the the the match presentation is sponsored by a betting company and the given okay the odds on Ivan Toney being the next goalscorer or whatever they were and the the the gambling industry has deliberately infected sport with it where it’s not just about the match.

01;05;17;24 – 01;05;39;29
Speaker 4
I go to soccer matches often. Listen young lads stand around the where they buy and they look in on the phones all the time they’re going to they’ve all got bets on all of a sudden. It’s not just about the game, it’s about something else going on as well corrupts that enjoyment. So anyone with a gambling issue, it really is.

01;05;40;08 – 01;06;06;19
Speaker 4
It really is easy to get back to that perfect natural sense of fun by removing removing gambling from your life. But it’s so simple. There’s so many differences between the different addictions and behaviors on my sure that some people think, Oh, we just cross out the word cigarette smoking and put in alcohol or whatever else. I wish it was that easy, but it never is.

01;06;06;25 – 01;06;25;20
Speaker 4
The society is the same is the same model, but it’s really there’s somebody considerations a difference between between one and the other. Well, is I know that’s really good, not just for the recut recap for the benefit of the listeners, what do we want to not get to us or put out on card? Come tell us what you want us to talk about.

01;06;26;01 – 01;06;41;01
Speaker 4
There are these suggestions. Any addiction that you need advice about or a bit of guidance on? As I say before we ask every single one anyway, even if we don’t cover them in the program. But so is that is a wrap.

01;06;41;04 – 01;06;51;22
Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s it. That’s a wrap. Thank you very much, John. Thank very much panels and thank you to all the listeners for writing in. And until next time.